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This week, Coté interviews John Willis and they discuss how Kubernetes ultimately won, why large companies struggle with Digital Transformation, and Systems Thinking. Plus, John shares his opinions about Human Resources and Venture Capital. Show Links Kubernetes: The Documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE77h7dmoQU) Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge (https://www.amazon.com/Demings-Journey-Profound-Knowledge-Industry/dp/B0CCW999G8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ABYP2L2X31GG&keywords=Willis+Deming&qid=1707157953&s=books&sprefix=willis+deming%2Cstripbooks%2C110&sr=1-1) The Problems with Money In (Open Source) Software (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCuLyv6SHo) Profound Deming (https://www.profound-deming.com) Profound Podcast (https://profound.buzzsprout.com) Contact John Willis LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnwillisatlanta/) botchagalupe@gmail.com (mailto:botchagalupe@gmail.com) SDT News & Hype Join us in Slack (http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack). Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address t